OK need to back track on the borscht. The mama love has just told me a bit more about my late great nanas recipe and its a Polish cabbage borscht shes after with NO tomato juice , some may know it as sweet and sour cabbage soup?
So there you go , my muddled mama brain got it all the wrong way round , may be why I couldnt find it hey!
Ill do some digging again and see what I get !!!!